MOTORISTS and
cyclists in Southampton
have been told to
accept that the city's
pothole ravaged roads
will continue to deteriorate.
Council chiefs admitted that
despite doubling spending on
highway repairs from £3m to
£6m the state of the roads
will get worse - just at a
slower rate.
Motoring organisation the
AA warned the policy will
lead to higher repair costs
and compensation claim
bills and could increase road
casualties.
Ruling Tories said state of
the city's roads was a "top
priority".
The man responsible for
mending them, Cllr Gavin
Dick, said the best the cash-strapped
council could do was
"managed decline" because
there was not enough money.
The council needs £10m just
to maintain the present condition
of the roads. It says there
is already an estimated bill of
more than £50m to clear a
backlog of repairs.
A survey by the Asphalt
Industry Alliance found the
average for councils across the
country was £7.5m.
After losing out on a £300m
bid for Government backed PFI
funding to mend the roads over
the next 25 years the council is
now looking to the private sector
to make savings. Cllr Dick
said: "The Government is failing
to give the council the
money the residents of
Southampton deserve to fix the
roads."
He claimed the council could
not borrow more or raid other
budgets without it having a
"huge detrimental effect on
other parts of the council.
Paul Watters, AA head of
roads and transport policy,
said: "It's not good news for the
residents of Southampton.
"If you don't repair the roads
it will cost nine times more if
they fall to pieces. It's also a
worry that sometimes poor
road quality can lead to casualties.
"Highways claims can also
be counter productive because
the council will end up paying
more money in compensation
than fixing the roads."
Lindsi Bluemel, chairman of
the Southampton Cycling
Campaign, said: "Poor road
surfaces can be especially dangerous
to cyclists.
"It's not going to encourage
new cyclists onto the roads. If
more people were cycling you
wouldn't have the damage to
the roads."
Tory council leaders last
night agreed to try to make
efficiency savings by finding a
private company to run its
highways division
under a ten-year deal worth
about £140m. It will save the
council between £3m and £7m
over the course of the contract.
About 150 council
staff would transfer to the
"partnership".
The move has angered
unions and opposition
councillors fear local contractors
used by the council
will lose work.
Mike Tucker, the council's
Unison branch secretary,
said: "We are disappointed
if the only way the
council can improve the
city highways is to transfer
150 staff out of the council,
putting working conditions,
pay and pensions at risk."
Cllr Dick said he was also
bringing in new ways of
recording and prioritising
repairs.
The Tory Cabinet also
approved an extra £250,000 for
pothole repairs bringing its
total spending on on-going
road repairs to £1.65m this
financial year The council is
ranked 157th out of 204 local
authorities for the number of
potholes it has filled.
See today's Daily Echo for the full story
12:39pm Tuesday 1st July 2008
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CommentPosted by: Sue, Southampton on 9:31am Tue 1 Jul 08
However contractors seem to partition off long chunks of road but no action is ever seen. I wonder how many mules of roads are out of action but nothing is happening. Workmen are rarely seen. Contractors should be held responsible for ensuring the road is roadworthy when the repairs are completed. All utilities should work together and only access periodically.
However contractors seem to partition off long chunks of road but no action is ever seen. I wonder how many mules of roads are out of action but nothing is happening. Workmen are rarely seen. Contractors should be held responsible for ensuring the road is roadworthy when the repairs are completed. All utilities should work together and only access periodically.
Posted by: Southampton Sh1tty Council on 9:31am Tue 1 Jul 08
the money aint going on the roads you can tell......we are waiting til somebody dies first
the money aint going on the roads you can tell......we are waiting til somebody dies first
Posted by: Westonite on 9:38am Tue 1 Jul 08
The roads around Weston estate havn't been touched in years and are in a right state. I expect with a Tory council, that trend will continue. Why spend money in a council estate when you can have smooth as glass roads and pavements in Bassett?
The roads around Weston estate havn't been touched in years and are in a right state. I expect with a Tory council, that trend will continue. Why spend money in a council estate when you can have smooth as glass roads and pavements in Bassett?
Posted by: Highway Engineer on 9:38am Tue 1 Jul 08
Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!!
Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road.
There roads are miles better.
Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?
Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!!
Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road.
There roads are miles better.
Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?
Posted by: mr.southampton, Southampton on 9:46am Tue 1 Jul 08
Sometimes the City Council can't be blamed, look at Portswood, brand new road and along come the Gas company to dig the whole thing up!
Sometimes the City Council can't be blamed, look at Portswood, brand new road and along come the Gas company to dig the whole thing up!
Posted by: Highway Engineer on 9:52am Tue 1 Jul 08
Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!!
Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road.
There roads are miles better.
Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?
Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!!
Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road.
There roads are miles better.
Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?
Posted by: Highway Lowdown on 10:28am Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote]Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?[/quote]
There is a possibility that the running of speed cameras could be handed over to the local authority in the future. Good idea huh??
Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?
There is a possibility that the running of speed cameras could be handed over to the local authority in the future. Good idea huh??
Posted by: slightly annoyed, soton on 10:39am Tue 1 Jul 08
"Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?" Because they are using the money to pay for two illegal wars, feathering countless nests by way of expenses and pensions, spending billions on hair-brained schemes in the name of anti-terrorism, paying for countless scroungers on sickness and incapacity benefit, coughing up great lumps of cash for the EU -DO YOU WANT MORE??
"Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?" Because they are using the money to pay for two illegal wars, feathering countless nests by way of expenses and pensions, spending billions on hair-brained schemes in the name of anti-terrorism, paying for countless scroungers on sickness and incapacity benefit, coughing up great lumps of cash for the EU -DO YOU WANT MORE??
Posted by: jon, soton on 10:49am Tue 1 Jul 08
I have to ride a motorbike up uper deacon rd everyday & with the condition of the road it is becoming a real danger not only with the size of the pot holes but also the amount of traffice that is swerving to avoid the holes.there will be a serious accident soon. I pay car & bike rd tax, For what!
I have to ride a motorbike up uper deacon rd everyday & with the condition of the road it is becoming a real danger not only with the size of the pot holes but also the amount of traffice that is swerving to avoid the holes.there will be a serious accident soon. I pay car & bike rd tax, For what!
Posted by: yarp, yarp on 10:55am Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Highway Engineer[/bold] wrote:
Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!!
Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road.
There roads are miles better.
Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads? [/quote] I hate to agree but skateland is becoming better all round!
Highway Engineer wrote:
Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!!
Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road.
There roads are miles better.
Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?
I hate to agree but skateland is becoming better all round!
Posted by: Family man, Bitterne on 11:19am Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]yarp[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Highway Engineer[/bold] wrote: Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!! Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road. There roads are miles better. Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads? [/quote] I hate to agree but skateland is becoming better all round![/quote] Sorry to say but in my experience PFI simply does not work in the long term. PFI contracts are very much written around targets, and a fairly narrow range of targets at that. The public sector as a whole has a lamentable record for negotiating contracts with the private sector...and it should not be forgotten that the private sector is in it to make a profit. In concentrating on targets (which are all to often those elements that are capable of measurement and are therefore usually quantitative rather than qualititive), it is inevitable that other "quality" issues that a service would provide "in the round" become neglected. You only have to look at the police and the NHS to see the effect of targets to realise the damage that an obsession with targets can cause. Plus of course, once the PFI initiative fails, and eventually comes up for renewal, any expertise or infrastructure that would support the re-inhousing of a service has been dispersed or thrown away...and that is when the PFI companies have you very firmly over a barrel.
yarp wrote:
Highway Engineer wrote: Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!! Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road. There roads are miles better. Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?
I hate to agree but skateland is becoming better all round!
Sorry to say but in my experience PFI simply does not work in the long term. PFI contracts are very much written around targets, and a fairly narrow range of targets at that. The public sector as a whole has a lamentable record for negotiating contracts with the private sector...and it should not be forgotten that the private sector is in it to make a profit. In concentrating on targets (which are all to often those elements that are capable of measurement and are therefore usually quantitative rather than qualititive), it is inevitable that other "quality" issues that a service would provide "in the round" become neglected. You only have to look at the police and the NHS to see the effect of targets to realise the damage that an obsession with targets can cause. Plus of course, once the PFI initiative fails, and eventually comes up for renewal, any expertise or infrastructure that would support the re-inhousing of a service has been dispersed or thrown away...and that is when the PFI companies have you very firmly over a barrel.
Posted by: Whatisthiscountrycom
ingto, Southampton on 11:21am Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]slightly annoyed[/bold] wrote:
"Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?" Because they are using the money to pay for two illegal wars, feathering countless nests by way of expenses and pensions, spending billions on hair-brained schemes in the name of anti-terrorism, paying for countless scroungers on sickness and incapacity benefit, coughing up great lumps of cash for the EU -DO YOU WANT MORE?? [/quote] - And dont forget the poor teenage mums that stupidly get pregnant or make themselves pregnant so they dont have to get a job. They need a house or flat paid for by the hard working people of the country, to bring up their their little darlings so that 15 years later they can repeat the process.
slightly annoyed wrote:
"Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?" Because they are using the money to pay for two illegal wars, feathering countless nests by way of expenses and pensions, spending billions on hair-brained schemes in the name of anti-terrorism, paying for countless scroungers on sickness and incapacity benefit, coughing up great lumps of cash for the EU -DO YOU WANT MORE??
- And dont forget the poor teenage mums that stupidly get pregnant or make themselves pregnant so they dont have to get a job. They need a house or flat paid for by the hard working people of the country, to bring up their their little darlings so that 15 years later they can repeat the process.
Posted by: gorf, soton on 11:32am Tue 1 Jul 08
What happens when all these polish, latvian, german, french etc cars and big artics come over here......
do they have to pay our road tax?
I think its wrong i have to pay for others to wreck it with cars that are not fit for the british roads.
What happens when all these polish, latvian, german, french etc cars and big artics come over here......
do they have to pay our road tax?
I think its wrong i have to pay for others to wreck it with cars that are not fit for the british roads.
Posted by: paul b on 11:40am Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]gorf[/bold] wrote:
What happens when all these polish, latvian, german, french etc cars and big artics come over here......
do they have to pay our road tax?
I think its wrong i have to pay for others to wreck it with cars that are not fit for the british roads.
[/quote] Do you pay to use roads when you go abroad?
gorf wrote:
What happens when all these polish, latvian, german, french etc cars and big artics come over here......
do they have to pay our road tax?
I think its wrong i have to pay for others to wreck it with cars that are not fit for the british roads.
Do you pay to use roads when you go abroad?
Posted by: Hermaphrodite Harry on 12:14pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Whatisthiscountrycomingto[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]slightly annoyed[/bold] wrote:
"Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?" Because they are using the money to pay for two illegal wars, feathering countless nests by way of expenses and pensions, spending billions on hair-brained schemes in the name of anti-terrorism, paying for countless scroungers on sickness and incapacity benefit, coughing up great lumps of cash for the EU -DO YOU WANT MORE?? [/quote] - And dont forget the poor teenage mums that stupidly get pregnant or make themselves pregnant so they dont have to get a job. They need a house or flat paid for by the hard working people of the country, to bring up their their little darlings so that 15 years later they can repeat the process.[/quote] How exactly does a teenage mum make [italic]herself[/italic] pregnant?
Whatisthiscountrycomingto wrote:
slightly annoyed wrote:
"Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?" Because they are using the money to pay for two illegal wars, feathering countless nests by way of expenses and pensions, spending billions on hair-brained schemes in the name of anti-terrorism, paying for countless scroungers on sickness and incapacity benefit, coughing up great lumps of cash for the EU -DO YOU WANT MORE??
- And dont forget the poor teenage mums that stupidly get pregnant or make themselves pregnant so they dont have to get a job. They need a house or flat paid for by the hard working people of the country, to bring up their their little darlings so that 15 years later they can repeat the process.
How exactly does a teenage mum make
herself pregnant?
Posted by: Bob on 12:24pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hermaphrodite Harry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Whatisthiscountrycomingto[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]slightly annoyed[/bold] wrote: "Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?" Because they are using the money to pay for two illegal wars, feathering countless nests by way of expenses and pensions, spending billions on hair-brained schemes in the name of anti-terrorism, paying for countless scroungers on sickness and incapacity benefit, coughing up great lumps of cash for the EU -DO YOU WANT MORE?? [/quote] - And dont forget the poor teenage mums that stupidly get pregnant or make themselves pregnant so they dont have to get a job. They need a house or flat paid for by the hard working people of the country, to bring up their their little darlings so that 15 years later they can repeat the process.[/quote] How exactly does a teenage mum make [italic]herself[/italic] pregnant?[/quote] Sleeps with a munter.
Hermaphrodite Harry wrote:
Whatisthiscountrycomingto wrote: slightly annoyed wrote: "Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?" Because they are using the money to pay for two illegal wars, feathering countless nests by way of expenses and pensions, spending billions on hair-brained schemes in the name of anti-terrorism, paying for countless scroungers on sickness and incapacity benefit, coughing up great lumps of cash for the EU -DO YOU WANT MORE??
- And dont forget the poor teenage mums that stupidly get pregnant or make themselves pregnant so they dont have to get a job. They need a house or flat paid for by the hard working people of the country, to bring up their their little darlings so that 15 years later they can repeat the process.
How exactly does a teenage mum make herself pregnant?
Sleeps with a munter.
Posted by: mr.southampton, Southampton on 12:58pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Family man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]yarp[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Highway Engineer[/bold] wrote: Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!! Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road. There roads are miles better. Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads? [/quote] I hate to agree but skateland is becoming better all round![/quote] Sorry to say but in my experience PFI simply does not work in the long term. PFI contracts are very much written around targets, and a fairly narrow range of targets at that. The public sector as a whole has a lamentable record for negotiating contracts with the private sector...and it should not be forgotten that the private sector is in it to make a profit. In concentrating on targets (which are all to often those elements that are capable of measurement and are therefore usually quantitative rather than qualititive), it is inevitable that other "quality" issues that a service would provide "in the round" become neglected. You only have to look at the police and the NHS to see the effect of targets to realise the damage that an obsession with targets can cause. Plus of course, once the PFI initiative fails, and eventually comes up for renewal, any expertise or infrastructure that would support the re-inhousing of a service has been dispersed or thrown away...and that is when the PFI companies have you very firmly over a barrel.[/quote] Couldn't agree more, PFI's and various public/private partnerships present serious long term problems, unfortunately Local Authourities and Central Government are only capable of short-term thinking.
Family man wrote:
yarp wrote: Highway Engineer wrote: Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!! Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road. There roads are miles better. Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?
I hate to agree but skateland is becoming better all round!
Sorry to say but in my experience PFI simply does not work in the long term. PFI contracts are very much written around targets, and a fairly narrow range of targets at that. The public sector as a whole has a lamentable record for negotiating contracts with the private sector...and it should not be forgotten that the private sector is in it to make a profit. In concentrating on targets (which are all to often those elements that are capable of measurement and are therefore usually quantitative rather than qualititive), it is inevitable that other "quality" issues that a service would provide "in the round" become neglected. You only have to look at the police and the NHS to see the effect of targets to realise the damage that an obsession with targets can cause. Plus of course, once the PFI initiative fails, and eventually comes up for renewal, any expertise or infrastructure that would support the re-inhousing of a service has been dispersed or thrown away...and that is when the PFI companies have you very firmly over a barrel.
Couldn't agree more, PFI's and various public/private partnerships present serious long term problems, unfortunately Local Authourities and Central Government are only capable of short-term thinking.
Posted by: Chester Drawers, southampton on 1:39pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Once again, Southampton City Council has shown that indomitable wartime spirit by helpfully not repairing our atrocious roads they have cleverly allowed them to get in such a state that no one can drive at more than 15MPH anyway without the need of a Mechanic or a Chiropractor. Thereby cutting road accidents at a stroke, the temporary downside of this is it can be dangerous when crossing the road if an otherwise unseen vehicle manages to climb out of one of these horrendous PotHoles and hits you!
This is a temporary problem of course because it won't be long before the holes get so big that all of us who can no longer afford to drive anymore can dump our redundant vehicles in the holes for the rest to drive over.
God bless Southampton City Council
Once again, Southampton City Council has shown that indomitable wartime spirit by helpfully not repairing our atrocious roads they have cleverly allowed them to get in such a state that no one can drive at more than 15MPH anyway without the need of a Mechanic or a Chiropractor. Thereby cutting road accidents at a stroke, the temporary downside of this is it can be dangerous when crossing the road if an otherwise unseen vehicle manages to climb out of one of these horrendous PotHoles and hits you!
This is a temporary problem of course because it won't be long before the holes get so big that all of us who can no longer afford to drive anymore can dump our redundant vehicles in the holes for the rest to drive over.
God bless Southampton City Council
Posted by: Steve, Bitterne on 1:58pm Tue 1 Jul 08
The roads are in a terrible state but it is no fault of the council. If your road tax was spent on the road infrastructure then we would have one of the best networks i the world. The trouble is that road tax is not used to maintain and improve anything. I was in Bulgaria a couple of years ago and was shocked to the state of the roads, now things are as bad as here.
The roads are in a terrible state but it is no fault of the council. If your road tax was spent on the road infrastructure then we would have one of the best networks i the world. The trouble is that road tax is not used to maintain and improve anything. I was in Bulgaria a couple of years ago and was shocked to the state of the roads, now things are as bad as here.
Posted by: dorothy, kansas on 1:59pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote:
Sometimes the City Council can't be blamed, look at Portswood, brand new road and along come the Gas company to dig the whole thing up![/quote] The road wasn't touched in portswood it was the pavements
mr.southampton wrote:
Sometimes the City Council can't be blamed, look at Portswood, brand new road and along come the Gas company to dig the whole thing up!
The road wasn't touched in portswood it was the pavements
Posted by: Lynne, Lockerly on 2:01pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Well i know this much what should be approximately a 20-30 minute drive from where i live turns into more like an hour or mores drive. Most of this due to the fact that there are so many traffic lights and speed restrictions (not that you could go much faster than you wanted to. I haven't choose to go into Southampton for shopping for such a long time. This use to be one of my main shopping areas, but no more i find getting onto the motorway and going to Portsmouth much quicker and easier. We as a family also choose to go there for a day out it has such alot more to offer especially with their waterfront. I find it unbelievable how Southampton Council who are so happy to take their peoples money yet never seems to listen to what the people are crying out for. After all it's not like it's just been neglected the last few weeks or months this has now been going on for years. Southampton if run properly could have a lot more going for it where not on local people benefit but those that may live outside the area. I also would like to add that grown up from a child Southampton was always the place we would visit, shop go to the local parks, ice rink etc. Now it's like a place i hardly know.How many more people feel the same i wonder???
Well i know this much what should be approximately a 20-30 minute drive from where i live turns into more like an hour or mores drive. Most of this due to the fact that there are so many traffic lights and speed restrictions (not that you could go much faster than you wanted to. I haven't choose to go into Southampton for shopping for such a long time. This use to be one of my main shopping areas, but no more i find getting onto the motorway and going to Portsmouth much quicker and easier. We as a family also choose to go there for a day out it has such alot more to offer especially with their waterfront. I find it unbelievable how Southampton Council who are so happy to take their peoples money yet never seems to listen to what the people are crying out for. After all it's not like it's just been neglected the last few weeks or months this has now been going on for years. Southampton if run properly could have a lot more going for it where not on local people benefit but those that may live outside the area. I also would like to add that grown up from a child Southampton was always the place we would visit, shop go to the local parks, ice rink etc. Now it's like a place i hardly know.How many more people feel the same i wonder???
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 2:16pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Lynne[/bold] wrote:
Well i know this much what should be approximately a 20-30 minute drive from where i live turns into more like an hour or mores drive. Most of this due to the fact that there are so many traffic lights and speed restrictions (not that you could go much faster than you wanted to. I haven't choose to go into Southampton for shopping for such a long time. This use to be one of my main shopping areas, but no more i find getting onto the motorway and going to Portsmouth much quicker and easier. We as a family also choose to go there for a day out it has such alot more to offer especially with their waterfront. I find it unbelievable how Southampton Council who are so happy to take their peoples money yet never seems to listen to what the people are crying out for. After all it's not like it's just been neglected the last few weeks or months this has now been going on for years. Southampton if run properly could have a lot more going for it where not on local people benefit but those that may live outside the area. I also would like to add that grown up from a child Southampton was always the place we would visit, shop go to the local parks, ice rink etc. Now it's like a place i hardly know.How many more people feel the same i wonder???[/quote] lynne the rot started back in the 1980's,when main goverment dictacted to local goverment,what it can and can not do, like how and where to spend public money,local council not even allowed to build council houses to replace the ones that was sold to tennets,let alone say a new ice rink,it all has to go to private sector and not state,derick hatten had the right idea,that was to say no to main goverment other councils should of followed his lead.
Lynne wrote:
Well i know this much what should be approximately a 20-30 minute drive from where i live turns into more like an hour or mores drive. Most of this due to the fact that there are so many traffic lights and speed restrictions (not that you could go much faster than you wanted to. I haven't choose to go into Southampton for shopping for such a long time. This use to be one of my main shopping areas, but no more i find getting onto the motorway and going to Portsmouth much quicker and easier. We as a family also choose to go there for a day out it has such alot more to offer especially with their waterfront. I find it unbelievable how Southampton Council who are so happy to take their peoples money yet never seems to listen to what the people are crying out for. After all it's not like it's just been neglected the last few weeks or months this has now been going on for years. Southampton if run properly could have a lot more going for it where not on local people benefit but those that may live outside the area. I also would like to add that grown up from a child Southampton was always the place we would visit, shop go to the local parks, ice rink etc. Now it's like a place i hardly know.How many more people feel the same i wonder???
lynne the rot started back in the 1980's,when main goverment dictacted to local goverment,what it can and can not do, like how and where to spend public money,local council not even allowed to build council houses to replace the ones that was sold to tennets,let alone say a new ice rink,it all has to go to private sector and not state,derick hatten had the right idea,that was to say no to main goverment other councils should of followed his lead.
Posted by: Denzil on 3:12pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]gorf[/bold] wrote:
What happens when all these polish, latvian, german, french etc cars and big artics come over here...... do they have to pay our road tax? I think its wrong i have to pay for others to wreck it with cars that are not fit for the british roads. [/quote] Yawn.
When here they pay fuel tax. That helps pay for their use of our roads.
You need to get out more.
gorf wrote:
What happens when all these polish, latvian, german, french etc cars and big artics come over here...... do they have to pay our road tax? I think its wrong i have to pay for others to wreck it with cars that are not fit for the british roads.
Yawn.
When here they pay fuel tax. That helps pay for their use of our roads.
You need to get out more.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 3:24pm Tue 1 Jul 08
you missed a bit to denzil
road tax is not for roads its use is for making guns tanks warships ect.road tax was interduce to raise money duing time of war, its one of the last things left over from WWII
you missed a bit to denzil
road tax is not for roads its use is for making guns tanks warships ect.road tax was interduce to raise money duing time of war, its one of the last things left over from WWII
Posted by: Glassy Knoll, Bassett, Southampton on 3:25pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Westonite[/bold] wrote:
The roads around Weston estate havn\'t been touched in years and are in a right state. I expect with a Tory council, that trend will continue. Why spend money in a council estate when you can have smooth as glass roads and pavements in Bassett?[/quote] I live in Bassett, the roads and pavements there are also in a terrible state of repair. Maybe I live in the wrong part of Bassett but I can't remember seeing any smooth as glass roads and/or pavements I will, however, keep an eye open for them - when it gets icy they could serve as a substitute ice rink.
Westonite wrote:
The roads around Weston estate havn\'t been touched in years and are in a right state. I expect with a Tory council, that trend will continue. Why spend money in a council estate when you can have smooth as glass roads and pavements in Bassett?
I live in Bassett, the roads and pavements there are also in a terrible state of repair. Maybe I live in the wrong part of Bassett but I can't remember seeing any smooth as glass roads and/or pavements I will, however, keep an eye open for them - when it gets icy they could serve as a substitute ice rink.
Posted by: a, Soton on 3:42pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Compensation will rise. Ths council never pays compensation against damage caused. I have had numerous bike punctures, nothing. I have had one car tyre shredded and a wishbone bent. The arguement is you can't prove it was out pot hole! They will continue to pay nothing
Compensation will rise. Ths council never pays compensation against damage caused. I have had numerous bike punctures, nothing. I have had one car tyre shredded and a wishbone bent. The arguement is you can't prove it was out pot hole! They will continue to pay nothing
Posted by: gorf, soton on 3:55pm Tue 1 Jul 08
build a park and ride
Posted by: JillyBee, Portswoood on 4:55pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Highway Engineer[/bold] wrote:
Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!! Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road. There roads are miles better. Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads? [/quote] One of the big problems with PFIs is that they are based on the credit card principle - Yes, you can have it now, but you will pay crippling rates of interest for it, just about forever (no, you can't just pay it off quickly).
You'll pay far more for it in the long run, and will still be paying long after the work is worn out and needs doing again, but the government hopes you won't notice this when you sign up for it. Hospitals and schools are being built on this principle too - it just commits the next generation to massive debts for work that will probably have collapsed years earlier. It's a bit like buying a house on your Barclaycard, instead of getting a mortgage.
Still, at least someone makes lots of money out of it, so that's okay!
Highway Engineer wrote:
Get a PFI scheme now Southampton!! Go to portsmouth which Highways are run by Colas, they are resurfacing nearly every road. There roads are miles better. Also why doesnt the goverment spend speed camera money and car tax on the roads?
One of the big problems with PFIs is that they are based on the credit card principle - Yes, you can have it now, but you will pay crippling rates of interest for it, just about forever (no, you can't just pay it off quickly).
You'll pay far more for it in the long run, and will still be paying long after the work is worn out and needs doing again, but the government hopes you won't notice this when you sign up for it. Hospitals and schools are being built on this principle too - it just commits the next generation to massive debts for work that will probably have collapsed years earlier. It's a bit like buying a house on your Barclaycard, instead of getting a mortgage.
Still, at least someone makes lots of money out of it, so that's okay!
Posted by: Oleg, Southampton on 5:02pm Tue 1 Jul 08
It's not "road tax": it's vehicle excise duty. Like it or not, it's a tax on the vehicle, and has nothing to do with paying for roads which are funded out of general (income/council/what
ever) taxation.
The state of the roads in Southampton IS appalling though. Is there a worse road than Stanton Road in Freemantle? You'd expect better in a third world country. On the rare occasions when potholes are "patched" up, they've fallen apart again within 3 months. Is there any quality control procedure?
It seems to be "save a penny, spend a pound later". I fear the same is true of PFI, which seems attractive in the short term but costs the taxpayer dearly in the long run.
It's not "road tax": it's vehicle excise duty. Like it or not, it's a tax on the vehicle, and has nothing to do with paying for roads which are funded out of general (income/council/what
ever) taxation.
The state of the roads in Southampton IS appalling though. Is there a worse road than Stanton Road in Freemantle? You'd expect better in a third world country. On the rare occasions when potholes are "patched" up, they've fallen apart again within 3 months. Is there any quality control procedure?
It seems to be "save a penny, spend a pound later". I fear the same is true of PFI, which seems attractive in the short term but costs the taxpayer dearly in the long run.
Posted by: Skeptik, soton on 5:36pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Southy your ability to get things wrong is astounding:
The Roads and Finance act 1921. Was when the tax disc was introduced. Just a tad before the second world war. Do try and get something right old chap !
Southy your ability to get things wrong is astounding:
The Roads and Finance act 1921. Was when the tax disc was introduced. Just a tad before the second world war. Do try and get something right old chap !
Posted by: Graham Fielder, Eastleigh on 5:38pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]a[/bold] wrote:
Compensation will rise. Ths council never pays compensation against damage caused. I have had numerous bike punctures, nothing. I have had one car tyre shredded and a wishbone bent. The arguement is you can\'t prove it was out pot hole! They will continue to pay nothing[/quote] Council will only pay up if you take the b*****d's to court with photographic evidence and measurements of holes etc.....
They are all too busy working out there expenses!
a wrote:
Compensation will rise. Ths council never pays compensation against damage caused. I have had numerous bike punctures, nothing. I have had one car tyre shredded and a wishbone bent. The arguement is you can\'t prove it was out pot hole! They will continue to pay nothing
Council will only pay up if you take the b*****d's to court with photographic evidence and measurements of holes etc.....
They are all too busy working out there expenses!
Posted by: Lux, soton on 5:39pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Bad year trying to sell soap to the French, on commission ! See an opening here, shock absorbers, I'll be in the the money.
Bad year trying to sell soap to the French, on commission ! See an opening here, shock absorbers, I'll be in the the money.
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 5:50pm Tue 1 Jul 08
11 years of socialist rule and nearly as long under the lib-dums has left Southampton a broken city. Shameful schools, housing estates and now roads.
If you live in Thornhill you have massive grounds to complain, the roads are of 3rd world quality. So much for the £49m dividend.
11 years of socialist rule and nearly as long under the lib-dums has left Southampton a broken city. Shameful schools, housing estates and now roads.
If you live in Thornhill you have massive grounds to complain, the roads are of 3rd world quality. So much for the £49m dividend.
Posted by: Skeptik, soton on 5:55pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Condor man - you have not been reading Southy's blogs, it was Mrs Thatcher what done it. And it will need 50 years of socialism to put right !
Condor man - you have not been reading Southy's blogs, it was Mrs Thatcher what done it. And it will need 50 years of socialism to put right !
Posted by: Skip Rat, Southampton on 6:12pm Tue 1 Jul 08
So where does all our road tax money go then? F***ing speed cameras, red light cameras?? If so, they obviously generate money which doesn't go back to the roads. Before long, roads will get so bad that they will cause accidents, especially motorbikes.
Also, can you imagine the cost of motoring in 10 years time???.........
So where does all our road tax money go then? F***ing speed cameras, red light cameras?? If so, they obviously generate money which doesn't go back to the roads. Before long, roads will get so bad that they will cause accidents, especially motorbikes.
Also, can you imagine the cost of motoring in 10 years time???.........
Posted by: paul b on 6:35pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Westonite[/bold] wrote:
The roads around Weston estate havn't been touched in years and are in a right state. I expect with a Tory council, that trend will continue. Why spend money in a council estate when you can have smooth as glass roads and pavements in Bassett?[/quote] Because people in basset pay your benefits
Westonite wrote:
The roads around Weston estate havn't been touched in years and are in a right state. I expect with a Tory council, that trend will continue. Why spend money in a council estate when you can have smooth as glass roads and pavements in Bassett?
Because people in basset pay your benefits
Posted by: Unitarian, Southampton on 7:54pm Tue 1 Jul 08
In 1991 I drove to Romania for the first time and noted that their roads were iffy. Some of the roads in Hungary were worse.
Today, some of the side roads in Southampton do not even compare with the newly reconstructed main roads in Romania and Hungary - certainly the road in which I live leaves a lot to be desired - dont use traffic calming measures or 20 mph speed limits - they are not necessary - the pot holes do the job instead and slow down some of the traffic[italic]italic[/italic]
In 1991 I drove to Romania for the first time and noted that their roads were iffy. Some of the roads in Hungary were worse.
Today, some of the side roads in Southampton do not even compare with the newly reconstructed main roads in Romania and Hungary - certainly the road in which I live leaves a lot to be desired - dont use traffic calming measures or 20 mph speed limits - they are not necessary - the pot holes do the job instead and slow down some of the traffic
Posted by: Gloria Hole, southampton on 8:35pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]gorf[/bold] wrote: What happens when all these polish, latvian, german, french etc cars and big artics come over here...... do they have to pay our road tax? I think its wrong i have to pay for others to wreck it with cars that are not fit for the british roads. [/quote] Yawn. When here they pay fuel tax. That helps pay for their use of our roads. You need to get out more.[/quote] Denzil , fuel tax is used in many ways but not on the roads.
when british trucks drive in the Benelux countrys we buy a euro'vingrete tax disc for the length of your trip and this is a tax/payment to these countrys for there roads.
we need to introduce this for foriegn trucks that come here.
you need to get the facts right. and maybe then get out more.
Denzil wrote:
gorf wrote: What happens when all these polish, latvian, german, french etc cars and big artics come over here...... do they have to pay our road tax? I think its wrong i have to pay for others to wreck it with cars that are not fit for the british roads.
Yawn. When here they pay fuel tax. That helps pay for their use of our roads. You need to get out more.
Denzil , fuel tax is used in many ways but not on the roads.
when british trucks drive in the Benelux countrys we buy a euro'vingrete tax disc for the length of your trip and this is a tax/payment to these countrys for there roads.
we need to introduce this for foriegn trucks that come here.
you need to get the facts right. and maybe then get out more.
Posted by: Gloria Hole, southampton on 8:35pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]gorf[/bold] wrote: What happens when all these polish, latvian, german, french etc cars and big artics come over here...... do they have to pay our road tax? I think its wrong i have to pay for others to wreck it with cars that are not fit for the british roads. [/quote] Yawn. When here they pay fuel tax. That helps pay for their use of our roads. You need to get out more.[/quote] Denzil , fuel tax is used in many ways but not on the roads.
when british trucks drive in the Benelux countrys we buy a euro'vingrete tax disc for the length of your trip and this is a tax/payment to these countrys for there roads.
we need to introduce this for foriegn trucks that come here.
you need to get the facts right. and maybe then get out more.
Denzil wrote:
gorf wrote: What happens when all these polish, latvian, german, french etc cars and big artics come over here...... do they have to pay our road tax? I think its wrong i have to pay for others to wreck it with cars that are not fit for the british roads.
Yawn. When here they pay fuel tax. That helps pay for their use of our roads. You need to get out more.
Denzil , fuel tax is used in many ways but not on the roads.
when british trucks drive in the Benelux countrys we buy a euro'vingrete tax disc for the length of your trip and this is a tax/payment to these countrys for there roads.
we need to introduce this for foriegn trucks that come here.
you need to get the facts right. and maybe then get out more.
Posted by: Bob444, Southampton on 8:54pm Tue 1 Jul 08
The electorate voted for privatisation when they voted tory.
They obviously didn't learn the lesson under thatcher, that tories will just privatise, privatise, privatise.
They always help their greedy business friends to get even richer.
The electorate voted for privatisation when they voted tory.
They obviously didn't learn the lesson under thatcher, that tories will just privatise, privatise, privatise.
They always help their greedy business friends to get even richer.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 9:09pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Skeptik[/bold] wrote:
Southy your ability to get things wrong is astounding:
The Roads and Finance act 1921. Was when the tax disc was introduced. Just a tad before the second world war. Do try and get something right old chap ![/quote] what happen in 1919 to 1922 skeptik.check your history,and you will see that britian was intending to sending troops to russia to help out the white army.check out out southampton personal history there was a revolt here with the troops.if you what to see the 3rd tax disc in the first year it came out 1940 sept you can find it at a garage near borrowbridge in somerset.the 1921 act was for the first fuel tax not road tax
Skeptik wrote:
Southy your ability to get things wrong is astounding:
The Roads and Finance act 1921. Was when the tax disc was introduced. Just a tad before the second world war. Do try and get something right old chap !
what happen in 1919 to 1922 skeptik.check your history,and you will see that britian was intending to sending troops to russia to help out the white army.check out out southampton personal history there was a revolt here with the troops.if you what to see the 3rd tax disc in the first year it came out 1940 sept you can find it at a garage near borrowbridge in somerset.the 1921 act was for the first fuel tax not road tax
Posted by: sotonian, southampton on 10:42pm Tue 1 Jul 08
I remember a time when the roads were regularly surfaced even the minor ones such as closes and side roads. As children we used to watch the workmen tarring the road then chippingsput down on top. I can also remember that Regents Park road was resurfaced only to have the gas board (as it was then)dig great holes every 6-8ft this was only a few weeks after it had been initially resurfaced!! forward planning???!!!!!
I remember a time when the roads were regularly surfaced even the minor ones such as closes and side roads. As children we used to watch the workmen tarring the road then chippingsput down on top. I can also remember that Regents Park road was resurfaced only to have the gas board (as it was then)dig great holes every 6-8ft this was only a few weeks after it had been initially resurfaced!! forward planning???!!!!!
Posted by: wild bill, millbrook hous est on 12:19am Wed 2 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Skeptik[/bold] wrote:
Southy your ability to get things wrong is astounding:
The Roads and Finance act 1921. Was when the tax disc was introduced. Just a tad before the second world war. Do try and get something right old chap ![/quote] [bold]skeptik I think you need to say your sorry to southy m8[/bold].because he right.I check on that act that you posted,there was one for N/Ireland and one for Australia,but not for England.How ever there was a levy for automobils graded fuel,this was to stop it being use for any thing else but for cars.cant have the rich people running out of fuel for there cars could we.so you need to get it right old chap skeptik.
Skeptik wrote:
Southy your ability to get things wrong is astounding:
The Roads and Finance act 1921. Was when the tax disc was introduced. Just a tad before the second world war. Do try and get something right old chap !
skeptik I think you need to say your sorry to southy m8.because he right.I check on that act that you posted,there was one for N/Ireland and one for Australia,but not for England.How ever there was a levy for automobils graded fuel,this was to stop it being use for any thing else but for cars.cant have the rich people running out of fuel for there cars could we.so you need to get it right old chap skeptik.
Posted by: Skeptik, soton on 5:09am Wed 2 Jul 08
The tax on fuels for vehicles was set at 3d per gallon in 1908. I suggest you look up the Road and Finance act of 1921 (National motor museum)Where you will find that the first tax discs were issued in 1921, colour changing and perforations (1938) as today tax as also rated on engine size etc. Do try and research properly !
The tax on fuels for vehicles was set at 3d per gallon in 1908. I suggest you look up the Road and Finance act of 1921 (National motor museum)Where you will find that the first tax discs were issued in 1921, colour changing and perforations (1938) as today tax as also rated on engine size etc. Do try and research properly !
Posted by: DRiver, soton on 5:20am Wed 2 Jul 08
Skeptik is right you can indeed look it up, there were petrol taxes (1903,1908) and the horsepower act of 1910. The road "fund" licence was as a result of the 1920 act implemented 1921. The disc was ammended as time went by.
Skeptik is right you can indeed look it up, there were petrol taxes (1903,1908) and the horsepower act of 1910. The road "fund" licence was as a result of the 1920 act implemented 1921. The disc was ammended as time went by.
Posted by: Law, soton on 5:30am Wed 2 Jul 08
The 1921 Road and Finance act is still with ammendments on the statute book. What it has to do with war or rich people is beyond me, envy of people who have worked for what they own perhaps ?
The 1921 Road and Finance act is still with ammendments on the statute book. What it has to do with war or rich people is beyond me, envy of people who have worked for what they own perhaps ?
Posted by: 1920, soton on 7:31am Wed 2 Jul 08
Yes the 1920 Act states - Duty Paid for the use of The Kings Highway, implemented 1921. Therefore a road fund licence, with annually changed coloured discs, the orginal had the thistle,rose,shamroc
k and leek on them, this was replaced in 1951 with the large Expiry date. Easy to look up, 1920 Roads and Finance Act - National Motor museum.
Yes the 1920 Act states - Duty Paid for the use of The Kings Highway, implemented 1921. Therefore a road fund licence, with annually changed coloured discs, the orginal had the thistle,rose,shamroc
k and leek on them, this was replaced in 1951 with the large Expiry date. Easy to look up, 1920 Roads and Finance Act - National Motor museum.
Posted by: Pothole City, Shirley on 8:02am Wed 2 Jul 08
Where I live in Shirley roads like Suffolk Avenue and surrounding roads Atherley Road & Arthur Road etc area is in a read bad state and full of potholes
They are doing roads works (pavements) on Shirley High street but still lots of broken paving further along by the shops and Iceland
Yet they can re surface Howard Road replace all the street lightning kerb stones replace the pavements and roads surface when its finish its a good job until the Gas board comes along and digs up around 30 holes + we have two building plots houses knocked down to build flats which mean more holes .
When these holes are filled in it’s just a matter of time before that starts to sink.
Why can the council not sort this mess out and get the utilities company’s to do any works before replacing the road surface and wasting our money.
They are probably over spending on London Road by putting this horrible grey paving down.
Council has no idea at all
Where I live in Shirley roads like Suffolk Avenue and surrounding roads Atherley Road & Arthur Road etc area is in a read bad state and full of potholes
They are doing roads works (pavements) on Shirley High street but still lots of broken paving further along by the shops and Iceland
Yet they can re surface Howard Road replace all the street lightning kerb stones replace the pavements and roads surface when its finish its a good job until the Gas board comes along and digs up around 30 holes + we have two building plots houses knocked down to build flats which mean more holes .
When these holes are filled in it’s just a matter of time before that starts to sink.
Why can the council not sort this mess out and get the utilities company’s to do any works before replacing the road surface and wasting our money.
They are probably over spending on London Road by putting this horrible grey paving down.
Council has no idea at all
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 11:37am Wed 2 Jul 08
I'm always wrong
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 11:41am Wed 2 Jul 08
[quote][bold]1920[/bold] wrote:
Yes the 1920 Act states - Duty Paid for the use of The Kings Highway, implemented 1921. Therefore a road fund licence, with annually changed coloured discs, the orginal had the thistle,rose,shamroc
k and leek on them, this was replaced in 1951 with the large Expiry date. Easy to look up, 1920 Roads and Finance Act - National Motor museum.[/quote] dont look at the motor museum,but look in goverment white papers all the info is there not part.plus i think you find that your on about vehicle licence tax, there's a small diffrence between the 2
1920 wrote:
Yes the 1920 Act states - Duty Paid for the use of The Kings Highway, implemented 1921. Therefore a road fund licence, with annually changed coloured discs, the orginal had the thistle,rose,shamroc
k and leek on them, this was replaced in 1951 with the large Expiry date. Easy to look up, 1920 Roads and Finance Act - National Motor museum.
dont look at the motor museum,but look in goverment white papers all the info is there not part.plus i think you find that your on about vehicle licence tax, there's a small diffrence between the 2
Posted by: Captain Birdseye, Soton on 5:52pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Cut and dried case of not enough money.The roads have been dire for years and even doubling the money spent isn't enough.
Either the government gives Soton the money or the council tax will have to go up through the roof.
Are you all happy to pay more council tax or to have cuts in other services????
Cut and dried case of not enough money.The roads have been dire for years and even doubling the money spent isn't enough.
Either the government gives Soton the money or the council tax will have to go up through the roof.
Are you all happy to pay more council tax or to have cuts in other services????
Posted by: skeptik, soton on 6:16pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Southy this is my final word, frankly you appear incapable of sustaining an argument with out changing tack
1, weapons for WW11
2. The bolshevik revolution !
Look in Hansard the act states quite clearly that revenue will not be used in the general tax fund, but will be used for the betterment of the nations roads. But hey, keep up the good work , you must be the best recruiting sergeant the torys' have got. The information in the museum and the artefacts are there as a result of government legislation. Unless of course you believe Hansard is not recording the business of parliament truthfully.
Southy this is my final word, frankly you appear incapable of sustaining an argument with out changing tack
1, weapons for WW11
2. The bolshevik revolution !
Look in Hansard the act states quite clearly that revenue will not be used in the general tax fund, but will be used for the betterment of the nations roads. But hey, keep up the good work , you must be the best recruiting sergeant the torys' have got. The information in the museum and the artefacts are there as a result of government legislation. Unless of course you believe Hansard is not recording the business of parliament truthfully.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 9:10pm Wed 2 Jul 08
skeptik its easy to mix up whitch tax is, to many people do it,an thats what your doing.
vehicle licence tax is a little bit diffrent to road tax,and in 1921 there still was to many toll roads to make it worth while to have a road tax.
skeptik its easy to mix up whitch tax is, to many people do it,an thats what your doing.
vehicle licence tax is a little bit diffrent to road tax,and in 1921 there still was to many toll roads to make it worth while to have a road tax.
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