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Nathan Dyer has been banished from first team training as he stalls over a new Saints contract.
The 20-year-old winger saw his current deal officially end yesterday and so has reverted to a week-to-week contract.
Saints have made what they describe as "a very fair" contract offer to try and persuade Dyer to commit his future to the club. But he has so far refused to sign.
New head coach Jan Poortvliet has reacted by excluding Dyer from first team training UNLESS he agrees to accept the new deal which has been discussed over a period of months and remains on the table.
Poortvliet made the decision after speaking with Dyer and insisted he can only have players with total commitment in his first team squad.
He said: "Yesterday morning we talked with Nathan and said it was better for the group and for everyone if he didn't train with us unless he signs our contract.
"We are preparing the boys for the season and when you don't have a contract you can't prepare.
"We said he can sign or wait for another club but we need players who are happy to be here, who are involved with Southampton and who want to work at a level for them themselves and for their team.
"We need players whose hearts are in Southampton and only then we can achieve what we want to achieve."
Dyer is unlikely to receive much sympathy from Saints fans as the club offer to stand by him despite another date at Portsmouth Magistrates Court a week today in connection with burglary charges.
If he does opt to leave on a free transfer, then Saints will still be entitled to a compensation fee to recognise his development with them as he is under 24.
Dyer has been continually linked with a move to Portsmouth, where another ex-Saints academy player Martin Cranie went last summer after turning down a new contract.
Poortvliet has insisted the door is still open for Dyer to be a part of his plans - but he will have to sign his new contract to do that.
Saints' head coach believes Dyer would benefit for another year at St Mary's before any move to the Premeriship.
"It's a pity for a player who has spent all his life at a club and put in a lot of good work in the youth team and reserve teams," said Poortvliet.
"He needs to prove himself in the first team and then you can make that step forward.
"He can go somewhere else, which he has a right to do, but playing for Southampton if he has a great season then he will be ready for it.
"Nathan needs to play at least another year here to be ready to become a top player in the Premiership."
PLC chairman Rupert Lowe added: "Jan Poortvliet, Mark Wotte and I have all spoken to Nathan and we have offered him a very fair contract which he has so far declined and he is now on a week-to-week basis.
"It is still on the table and we have made it very clear we want to keep him. But we want complete commitment.
"That is the Dutch way and it is important and central to our plans to have commitment from the players."
Dyer was discovered and developed by Saints' satellite academy in Bath and was mentored by former coach Rod Ruddick, who is also now with Portsmouth.
Dyer made his Saints debut in 2005 - scoring on his debut under Harry Redknapp at Southend in a Carling Cup tie - and has gone on to make 61 appearances, scoring three goals.
However, last year Dyer had a major injury setback before the off field problems erupted.
Dyer's court appearance next week relates to an alleged theft from a staff room at Bar Bluu nightclub in Portsmouth.
Bradley Wright-Phillips has also been charged. The striker still has a year left on his Saints contract.
All Saints contracts expired yesterday but the club are STILL refusing to disclose the details of their retained list.
The futures of Jermaine Wright, Inigo Idiakez, Mario Licka, Darren Powell and Alex Ostlund are unclear
None of those five were at Staplewood last Friday when a Daily Echo photographer was allowed in to take pictures of the training session.
8:00am Tuesday 1st July 2008
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CommentPosted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 8:12am Tue 1 Jul 08
Off you go Nathan. If you're lucky you'll join a mediocre Premiership team then be farmed out on loan for the duration of your contract. By the end of that deal in 3 years time you'd have played around 30 games meaning you're career will have stalled and you'll kiss the **** of any manager wanting to take you on again. For examples see Martin Cranie and Matthew Mills.
All this is dependant on you not going to prison in the Autumn.
Off you go Nathan. If you're lucky you'll join a mediocre Premiership team then be farmed out on loan for the duration of your contract. By the end of that deal in 3 years time you'd have played around 30 games meaning you're career will have stalled and you'll kiss the **** of any manager wanting to take you on again. For examples see Martin Cranie and Matthew Mills.
All this is dependant on you not going to prison in the Autumn.
Posted by: john, salisbury on 8:19am Tue 1 Jul 08
Is it too much to ask, who is in the squad? Who is being let go? Someone must know? What is 'Dutch' about letting a player go who is unhappy with his contract?
Is it too much to ask, who is in the squad? Who is being let go? Someone must know? What is 'Dutch' about letting a player go who is unhappy with his contract?
Posted by: Harry, Brighton on 8:23am Tue 1 Jul 08
If true, and Poortvliet is prepared to take the hard line with some of our overpaid 'stars' then good for him. A little discipline, respect and desire to play for the club might actually get us out of the mess we're in.
If true, and Poortvliet is prepared to take the hard line with some of our overpaid 'stars' then good for him. A little discipline, respect and desire to play for the club might actually get us out of the mess we're in.
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 8:44am Tue 1 Jul 08
If you analyse Dyer's career he's 20 and has scored a handful of goals and played a handful of games. By the same age Rod Wallace had scored almost 50 goals (top scorer one season) and over 100 games- all in the top division.
If you analyse Dyer's career he's 20 and has scored a handful of goals and played a handful of games. By the same age Rod Wallace had scored almost 50 goals (top scorer one season) and over 100 games- all in the top division.
Posted by: Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere on 9:21am Tue 1 Jul 08
I am pleased with this approach from Portvliet, it makes good sense. I would like us to keep Dyer if we can and I think this might force him to make a decision one way or another.
If we were to lose him then I'm not too fussed, I've been expecting him to leave all summer, but it would be a bit of a boost if we could keep him.
He gives us pace and width and while he isn't the finished article yet his form was improving before his injury problems.
I am pleased with this approach from Portvliet, it makes good sense. I would like us to keep Dyer if we can and I think this might force him to make a decision one way or another.
If we were to lose him then I'm not too fussed, I've been expecting him to leave all summer, but it would be a bit of a boost if we could keep him.
He gives us pace and width and while he isn't the finished article yet his form was improving before his injury problems.
Posted by: whizzpop, Fareham/Eastleigh/Bi
tterne/Hedge End on 9:30am Tue 1 Jul 08
Can't believe the nerve of the toerag
Can't believe the nerve of the toerag
Posted by: Jeff Le Taxi, Southampton on 9:39am Tue 1 Jul 08
Im starting to think Mr Portvliet is going to do well here!!
Trouble is Dyer must sign a contract so we can get maximum cash when we get rid of him, SOON i hope!
Im starting to think Mr Portvliet is going to do well here!!
Trouble is Dyer must sign a contract so we can get maximum cash when we get rid of him, SOON i hope!
Posted by: Wazza on 9:52am Tue 1 Jul 08
Well-done Mr Poortvliet. If this allegedly (hopefully this word will mean my post isn't deleted - it is alleged because he is going to court for it Daily Echo modifiers!) thieving Prima Donna thinks he's bigger and better than our club get rid of the git. Things are tight at SFC and if he doesn't want to tighten the belt when everyone else is then good riddance. He owes us after last years off the pitch escapades and by not signing up he is the image of everything that is wrong with the prima Dona money grabbing English Game.
Well-done Mr Poortvliet. If this allegedly (hopefully this word will mean my post isn't deleted - it is alleged because he is going to court for it Daily Echo modifiers!) thieving Prima Donna thinks he's bigger and better than our club get rid of the git. Things are tight at SFC and if he doesn't want to tighten the belt when everyone else is then good riddance. He owes us after last years off the pitch escapades and by not signing up he is the image of everything that is wrong with the prima Dona money grabbing English Game.
Posted by: Martin, York on 9:59am Tue 1 Jul 08
Getting to like the new fella already. I have always had opinion that wanting to play for the team is a far greater asset to the club than skill. Dyer appears to have neither (apart from pace) and, along with young Bradley, should have been indefinitely suspended from playing for the club pending the outcome of the trial. As it is fairly clear that, barring some magnificent legal argument, they are both as guilty as sin, I say there should be no future for either. Let Dyer run off and join Stoke or whoever and force Brad to spend the rest of his contract helping to develop academy players, without so much as playing for the reserves. Harsh, but fair.
Getting to like the new fella already. I have always had opinion that wanting to play for the team is a far greater asset to the club than skill. Dyer appears to have neither (apart from pace) and, along with young Bradley, should have been indefinitely suspended from playing for the club pending the outcome of the trial. As it is fairly clear that, barring some magnificent legal argument, they are both as guilty as sin, I say there should be no future for either. Let Dyer run off and join Stoke or whoever and force Brad to spend the rest of his contract helping to develop academy players, without so much as playing for the reserves. Harsh, but fair.
Posted by: Frankie, WESTON on 10:12am Tue 1 Jul 08
What a pity that Dyer will never see the responses on this page
it just goes to show what real football fans think of "stars" who behave like complete prats
let him go ? no kick him out !
make him and his mate realise what they have actually done
What a pity that Dyer will never see the responses on this page
it just goes to show what real football fans think of "stars" who behave like complete prats
let him go ? no kick him out !
make him and his mate realise what they have actually done
Posted by: Reality on 10:26am Tue 1 Jul 08
Innocent until proven guilty. Such a shame so many of the above idiots don't understand what this means.
Nathan Dyer is one of the nicest and most level headed players at Saints. Always willing to attend Charity and community events on behalf of the club (much like Wright-Phillips) but then no-one is interested in that eh? And of course, all the above have never ever done a stupid thing when drunk in their life eh?
"Welcome to Southampton, from where we shall pass judgement upon you from our Ivory tower"
Innocent until proven guilty. Such a shame so many of the above idiots don't understand what this means.
Nathan Dyer is one of the nicest and most level headed players at Saints. Always willing to attend Charity and community events on behalf of the club (much like Wright-Phillips) but then no-one is interested in that eh? And of course, all the above have never ever done a stupid thing when drunk in their life eh?
"Welcome to Southampton, from where we shall pass judgement upon you from our Ivory tower"
Posted by: nick, southampton on 10:40am Tue 1 Jul 08
Dyer has to be one of the most over-rated players in our team! he's too small, couldn't hit water if he fell out a boat, and extreamly over paid!! if he wants to go let him go! couldn't care less what he does off the pitch, but his preformances on it haven't warrented a new contract!
Anyone know of any transfer gossip??
Dyer has to be one of the most over-rated players in our team! he's too small, couldn't hit water if he fell out a boat, and extreamly over paid!! if he wants to go let him go! couldn't care less what he does off the pitch, but his preformances on it haven't warrented a new contract!
Anyone know of any transfer gossip??
Posted by: CUCUMBER, Chandler's Ford on 10:43am Tue 1 Jul 08
We are getting better players in, we don't need him. Can I just ask- on the Saints Web site it shows the team, but where is Alexander Ostlund, Darren Powell, etc. How can we cope with four defenders...[bold][bold]bold[/bold] [/bold] ? Just aking.
We are getting better players in, we don't need him. Can I just ask- on the Saints Web site it shows the team, but where is Alexander Ostlund, Darren Powell, etc. How can we cope with four defenders...
? Just aking.
Posted by: milton road, alicante on 10:45am Tue 1 Jul 08
Last week we had a young lad join the club because the ideal of playing football was paramount, even more so than money. Now we see the other side of the coin, a young lad who has so much still to prove, on and off the field. Not prepared to stand by the club who has stood by him through injury and criminal charges.A two year contract would have seen him have the chance to prove himself and Saints get a decent fee, if his development continued. I think we have seen too much of this over the last few seasons Nathan Dyer should have a deep think about things.
Last week we had a young lad join the club because the ideal of playing football was paramount, even more so than money. Now we see the other side of the coin, a young lad who has so much still to prove, on and off the field. Not prepared to stand by the club who has stood by him through injury and criminal charges.A two year contract would have seen him have the chance to prove himself and Saints get a decent fee, if his development continued. I think we have seen too much of this over the last few seasons Nathan Dyer should have a deep think about things.
Posted by: steve, lONDON on 10:56am Tue 1 Jul 08
Goodbye and a cheery bu**er off to bad rubbish.No heart no brains and busy hands.Another one that will disapera up his own backside
Goodbye and a cheery bu**er off to bad rubbish.No heart no brains and busy hands.Another one that will disapera up his own backside
Posted by: Richie, Germany on 11:01am Tue 1 Jul 08
I am prepared to forgive his alledged mistake in getting drunk and act the goat in a nightclub but what i find a bit harder to forgive is the attitude that even though the club helped to develop him he refuses to sign the contract. Cranie and Mills as somebody said earlier are classic examples of big headed little ball bags thinking they are bigger than our club. If he doesn't want to sign for us like the sensible level headed Schneiderlin who is more concerned about developing his career the let him leave. Personally i think he is too light weight for the English game anyway.
I am prepared to forgive his alledged mistake in getting drunk and act the goat in a nightclub but what i find a bit harder to forgive is the attitude that even though the club helped to develop him he refuses to sign the contract. Cranie and Mills as somebody said earlier are classic examples of big headed little ball bags thinking they are bigger than our club. If he doesn't want to sign for us like the sensible level headed Schneiderlin who is more concerned about developing his career the let him leave. Personally i think he is too light weight for the English game anyway.
Posted by: redarmy, Southampton on 11:11am Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]CUCUMBER[/bold] wrote:
We are getting better players in, we don't need him. Can I just ask- on the Saints Web site it shows the team, but where is Alexander Ostlund, Darren Powell, etc. How can we cope with four defenders...[bold][bold]bold[/bold] [/bold] ? Just aking. [/quote] Ostlund left weeks ago,after vacating his ocean village appartment... i have a friend who did his cleaning- she told me,and she aint one to lie...
as for Powell,glad he's gone too...most useless ever defender i have seen!!
As for Dyer...he is just that on the pitch...DYER!! awful player,thinks he's it..kick the little tw4t out of the club!!
CUCUMBER wrote:
We are getting better players in, we don't need him. Can I just ask- on the Saints Web site it shows the team, but where is Alexander Ostlund, Darren Powell, etc. How can we cope with four defenders... ? Just aking.
Ostlund left weeks ago,after vacating his ocean village appartment... i have a friend who did his cleaning- she told me,and she aint one to lie...
as for Powell,glad he's gone too...most useless ever defender i have seen!!
As for Dyer...he is just that on the pitch...DYER!! awful player,thinks he's it..kick the little tw4t out of the club!!
Posted by: No I Deer on 11:15am Tue 1 Jul 08
He has the potential and i think getting rid of him may not be the best idea.
I may be wrong thou.
He has the potential and i think getting rid of him may not be the best idea.
I may be wrong thou.
Posted by: Hedge End Saint, Hedge End on 11:15am Tue 1 Jul 08
'Banned from training with the 1st team squad'. I thought everyone trained together as part of the new stucture!!
'Banned from training with the 1st team squad'. I thought everyone trained together as part of the new stucture!!
Posted by: No I Deer on 11:17am Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]No I Deer[/bold] wrote:
He has the potential and i think getting rid of him may not be the best idea. I may be wrong thou.[/quote] He has the potential and i think getting rid of him may not be the best idea.
I may be wrong thou
No I Deer wrote:
He has the potential and i think getting rid of him may not be the best idea. I may be wrong thou.
He has the potential and i think getting rid of him may not be the best idea.
I may be wrong thou
Posted by: Gary, Soton on 11:48am Tue 1 Jul 08
Wish people would stop with the Lowe / Board bashing. I dislike the way Lowe has handled things all these year, as much as the next person. I have been vocal and in the written word for my dislike at his miss management and cr-p decisions like many, many others. But he is still here. This constant moaning about him hasn't and will not work, Mr Lowe is still here! And will be until the club is successful enough to attract a new investor. That way he gets the money he wants to leave. Let it go people, believe me you will be a lot happier. As for Dyer my opinion is he's let himself and family down, the fact he has brought shame on SFC is bye the bye. I hope he goes now, for all his footballing attributes, there will be another young man coming through or out there who wants the chance to prove themselves. Hasn't Man United let five quality young players go? No the young man has serious thinking to do to make himself and family proud again, if he can't see that Southampton F.C can help him with that then that’s his choice. As a club we have to move on and not be distracted. I'm for one is happy with Jan's approach and willing to embrace his Dutch revolution, who knows Lowe might have actually got this one right? Wouldn't that be a turn up for the books? Hope we even get an Orange 3rd strip, it would brighten the gloomy winter away days.
Wish people would stop with the Lowe / Board bashing. I dislike the way Lowe has handled things all these year, as much as the next person. I have been vocal and in the written word for my dislike at his miss management and cr-p decisions like many, many others. But he is still here. This constant moaning about him hasn't and will not work, Mr Lowe is still here! And will be until the club is successful enough to attract a new investor. That way he gets the money he wants to leave. Let it go people, believe me you will be a lot happier. As for Dyer my opinion is he's let himself and family down, the fact he has brought shame on SFC is bye the bye. I hope he goes now, for all his footballing attributes, there will be another young man coming through or out there who wants the chance to prove themselves. Hasn't Man United let five quality young players go? No the young man has serious thinking to do to make himself and family proud again, if he can't see that Southampton F.C can help him with that then that’s his choice. As a club we have to move on and not be distracted. I'm for one is happy with Jan's approach and willing to embrace his Dutch revolution, who knows Lowe might have actually got this one right? Wouldn't that be a turn up for the books? Hope we even get an Orange 3rd strip, it would brighten the gloomy winter away days.
Posted by: whizzpop, Fareham/Eastleigh/Bi
tterne/Hedge End on 11:58am Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Gary[/bold] wrote:
Wish people would stop with the Lowe / Board bashing. I dislike the way Lowe has handled things all these year, as much as the next person. I have been vocal and in the written word for my dislike at his miss management and cr-p decisions like many, many others. But he is still here. This constant moaning about him hasn't and will not work, Mr Lowe is still here! And will be until the club is successful enough to attract a new investor. That way he gets the money he wants to leave. Let it go people, believe me you will be a lot happier. As for Dyer my opinion is he's let himself and family down, the fact he has brought shame on SFC is bye the bye. I hope he goes now, for all his footballing attributes, there will be another young man coming through or out there who wants the chance to prove themselves. Hasn't Man United let five quality young players go? No the young man has serious thinking to do to make himself and family proud again, if he can't see that Southampton F.C can help him with that then that’s his choice. As a club we have to move on and not be distracted. I'm for one is happy with Jan's approach and willing to embrace his Dutch revolution, who knows Lowe might have actually got this one right? Wouldn't that be a turn up for the books? Hope we even get an Orange 3rd strip, it would brighten the gloomy winter away days. [/quote] Some good words here. Dyer is blind to think that a) anyone else wants him b) and that Saints are pretty much giving him another chance, if he can't accept that then he should push off.
Gary wrote:
Wish people would stop with the Lowe / Board bashing. I dislike the way Lowe has handled things all these year, as much as the next person. I have been vocal and in the written word for my dislike at his miss management and cr-p decisions like many, many others. But he is still here. This constant moaning about him hasn't and will not work, Mr Lowe is still here! And will be until the club is successful enough to attract a new investor. That way he gets the money he wants to leave. Let it go people, believe me you will be a lot happier. As for Dyer my opinion is he's let himself and family down, the fact he has brought shame on SFC is bye the bye. I hope he goes now, for all his footballing attributes, there will be another young man coming through or out there who wants the chance to prove themselves. Hasn't Man United let five quality young players go? No the young man has serious thinking to do to make himself and family proud again, if he can't see that Southampton F.C can help him with that then that’s his choice. As a club we have to move on and not be distracted. I'm for one is happy with Jan's approach and willing to embrace his Dutch revolution, who knows Lowe might have actually got this one right? Wouldn't that be a turn up for the books? Hope we even get an Orange 3rd strip, it would brighten the gloomy winter away days.
Some good words here. Dyer is blind to think that a) anyone else wants him b) and that Saints are pretty much giving him another chance, if he can't accept that then he should push off.
Posted by: Josh, Lymington on 11:59am Tue 1 Jul 08
Off you go Dyer. If your lucky you will go to a higher club than SFC but we dont need you, we want hard working players that want to be part of the team but acting like that wont get you any more games at any other club than what you did here.
Kick the thief out!!!!!!!!
Off you go Dyer. If your lucky you will go to a higher club than SFC but we dont need you, we want hard working players that want to be part of the team but acting like that wont get you any more games at any other club than what you did here.
Kick the thief out!!!!!!!!
Posted by: realist on 12:01pm Tue 1 Jul 08
So, they haven't released the retained list, but you can work it out for yourself from the official site and the team section. Compared to a week ago, Ostlund, Powell, Idiakez and Licka have disappeared and the young 'keeper Pernecky is back in the under-18s.
Glad Powell has gone - useless tosser - sorry Jermaine Wright has been kept on. Don't know aboutOstlund, but he never did much, likewise Idiakez.
Licka would have been worth a punt, but if Surman and Skacel (wishful thinking?) combine down the left, he wasn't needed.
There are bound to be more comings and goings before the season but it looks a well-balanced squad - and we can even afford to let that allegedly thieving, greedy disloyal little sh*te Dyer go and still have a good outfit.
Suggest, to trim the 6 strikers down to 5 or even 4, they listen to offers for Rasiak (if he doesn't want to play) and definitely for Dyer's partner in crime, Plug, er, sorry, I mean Wright-Phillips.
So, they haven't released the retained list, but you can work it out for yourself from the official site and the team section. Compared to a week ago, Ostlund, Powell, Idiakez and Licka have disappeared and the young 'keeper Pernecky is back in the under-18s.
Glad Powell has gone - useless tosser - sorry Jermaine Wright has been kept on. Don't know aboutOstlund, but he never did much, likewise Idiakez.
Licka would have been worth a punt, but if Surman and Skacel (wishful thinking?) combine down the left, he wasn't needed.
There are bound to be more comings and goings before the season but it looks a well-balanced squad - and we can even afford to let that allegedly thieving, greedy disloyal little sh*te Dyer go and still have a good outfit.
Suggest, to trim the 6 strikers down to 5 or even 4, they listen to offers for Rasiak (if he doesn't want to play) and definitely for Dyer's partner in crime, Plug, er, sorry, I mean Wright-Phillips.
Posted by: Graham, Herts on 12:05pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Idle curiosity again.
I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear.
Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone.
They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line.
I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow.
Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong.
Idle curiosity again.
I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear.
Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone.
They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line.
I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow.
Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong.
Posted by: Frankie, w on 12:11pm Tue 1 Jul 08
a nice young lad who has made just one mistake
how often do we hear this from dogooders apologising for yet another criminal act
Dyer has a responsibility that goes with being a public figure. he also earns a great deal of money,far more than the average fan supporting him ,s o he doesn't need to steal, it was done because he was drunk and he didn't think he would get caught ! a lad from a council estate with no other skill would have been banged up by now and no one would have thought much about it
the general attitude towards him is because he doesn't appear grateful that the club have supported him so far and wants to go somewhere better
I don't think there is any where better for him !
a nice young lad who has made just one mistake
how often do we hear this from dogooders apologising for yet another criminal act
Dyer has a responsibility that goes with being a public figure. he also earns a great deal of money,far more than the average fan supporting him ,s o he doesn't need to steal, it was done because he was drunk and he didn't think he would get caught ! a lad from a council estate with no other skill would have been banged up by now and no one would have thought much about it
the general attitude towards him is because he doesn't appear grateful that the club have supported him so far and wants to go somewhere better
I don't think there is any where better for him !
Posted by: sailor sam, portsmouth on 12:20pm Tue 1 Jul 08
I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached.
I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post.
It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment.
So much for democracy!
I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached.
I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post.
It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment.
So much for democracy!
Posted by: jon on 12:26pm Tue 1 Jul 08
You cant blame dyer not signing a new contract, what with the credit crunch & all he is holding out for a bigger wage. We must remember he has been subsidising his income with his other profession untill he got caught. Give the poor lad a chance.
You cant blame dyer not signing a new contract, what with the credit crunch & all he is holding out for a bigger wage. We must remember he has been subsidising his income with his other profession untill he got caught. Give the poor lad a chance.
Posted by: CUCUMBER, chandlers ford on 12:31pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]redarmy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]CUCUMBER[/bold] wrote:
We are getting better players in, we don't need him. Can I just ask- on the Saints Web site it shows the team, but where is Alexander Ostlund, Darren Powell, etc. How can we cope with four defenders...[bold][bold]bold[/bold] [/bold] ? Just aking. [/quote] Ostlund left weeks ago,after vacating his ocean village appartment... i have a friend who did his cleaning- she told me,and she aint one to lie...
as for Powell,glad he's gone too...most useless ever defender i have seen!!
As for Dyer...he is just that on the pitch...DYER!! awful player,thinks he's it..kick the little tw4t out of the club!![/quote] That's harsh on Dyer.. WE MUST GET OSTLUND BACK!
WE NEED [bold]bold[/bold] ALEXANDER OSTLUND![bold]bold[/bold]
redarmy wrote:
CUCUMBER wrote:
We are getting better players in, we don't need him. Can I just ask- on the Saints Web site it shows the team, but where is Alexander Ostlund, Darren Powell, etc. How can we cope with four defenders... ? Just aking.
Ostlund left weeks ago,after vacating his ocean village appartment... i have a friend who did his cleaning- she told me,and she aint one to lie...
as for Powell,glad he's gone too...most useless ever defender i have seen!!
As for Dyer...he is just that on the pitch...DYER!! awful player,thinks he's it..kick the little tw4t out of the club!!
That's harsh on Dyer.. WE MUST GET OSTLUND BACK!
WE NEED ALEXANDER OSTLUND!
Posted by: Myself on 12:42pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem league
Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem league
Posted by: SFC4EVA, Soton on 12:44pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Just had a look at the '1st Team Squad' on the Saints Website. Looks like a good little squad. Only concerns are Goal Keeping and Defence. Same worrie with Davis and Bialkowski and we only have 4 defenders on the books and this proved to be our downfall over the last couple of seasons.
I know we are a long way off the start of the season but anyone got any thoughts/news/rumors on any defenders?
Just had a look at the '1st Team Squad' on the Saints Website. Looks like a good little squad. Only concerns are Goal Keeping and Defence. Same worrie with Davis and Bialkowski and we only have 4 defenders on the books and this proved to be our downfall over the last couple of seasons.
I know we are a long way off the start of the season but anyone got any thoughts/news/rumors on any defenders?
Posted by: matty, southampton on 12:45pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Dyer, just go, you really aren't that good! You will never give 100% so stop wasting everyones time and leave.
Dyer, just go, you really aren't that good! You will never give 100% so stop wasting everyones time and leave.
Posted by: A Dyer Situation, In a field near Staplewood on 12:54pm Tue 1 Jul 08
What I would like to know is if he is refusing to sign a new contract why are Saints still paying him weekly. Surely if his contract has expired then Saints do not have to pay him anything.
If he has dillusions of granduer and thinks that a prem club is going to want to sign him then let him go. He will soon come running back asking for his contract to which he should be told to F off!!!
What I would like to know is if he is refusing to sign a new contract why are Saints still paying him weekly. Surely if his contract has expired then Saints do not have to pay him anything.
If he has dillusions of granduer and thinks that a prem club is going to want to sign him then let him go. He will soon come running back asking for his contract to which he should be told to F off!!!
Posted by: ... on 12:58pm Tue 1 Jul 08
heard ben thatcher and scott gritths bantered about. Why is it saying we have signed Mo Kallon on websites?? have we?? ..
heard ben thatcher and scott gritths bantered about. Why is it saying we have signed Mo Kallon on websites?? have we?? ..
Posted by: Mike, Soton on 1:02pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Sign Joey Barton!
Posted by: only one not blind, southampton on 1:08pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Please don't say that useless piece of **** Jermaine Wright has been kept on. Clinically Insane, really is!
Please don't say that useless piece of **** Jermaine Wright has been kept on. Clinically Insane, really is!
Posted by: Costa Baz on 1:13pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]sailor sam[/bold] wrote:
I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy! [/quote] I agree that they need to go through the court process, but having seen the video footage, I will be very surprised if Dyer is found not guilty.
Dyer was more active than BWP, in having a good look in the bags, so may have left DNA inside a bag, from which something was stolen.
Not sure how the law stands if he has not been found in possession of any missing items, though. Conspiracy to steal?
Reality seems to be suggesting that "being drunk" may have been the cause of action, but is that an acceptable reason for allegedly committing a crime? I believe not in the eyes of the law.
sailor sam wrote:
I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy!
I agree that they need to go through the court process, but having seen the video footage, I will be very surprised if Dyer is found not guilty.
Dyer was more active than BWP, in having a good look in the bags, so may have left DNA inside a bag, from which something was stolen.
Not sure how the law stands if he has not been found in possession of any missing items, though. Conspiracy to steal?
Reality seems to be suggesting that "being drunk" may have been the cause of action, but is that an acceptable reason for allegedly committing a crime? I believe not in the eyes of the law.
Posted by: Ken, Stubbington on 1:20pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Does it matter? He is awful - absolutely useless. Can't pass, cross, track back or beat anyone with his alleged pace, and he has brought embarrassment on the club with his 'alleged' handbag snatching. Let him go he is a waste of space and he is of questionable character.
Does it matter? He is awful - absolutely useless. Can't pass, cross, track back or beat anyone with his alleged pace, and he has brought embarrassment on the club with his 'alleged' handbag snatching. Let him go he is a waste of space and he is of questionable character.
Posted by: redarmy, Southampton on 1:29pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]jon[/bold] wrote:
You cant blame dyer not signing a new contract, what with the credit crunch & all he is holding out for a bigger wage. We must remember he has been subsidising his income with his other profession untill he got caught. Give the poor lad a chance. [/quote] jon,imo he isnt even GOOD enough to get a contract in the first place!! he has put himself and the club to shame,he is lightweight and greedy on the pitch,not a team player and thinks the sun shines from his ar5e... give him a chance you say?? the club have by offering him a contract-hence a lifeline to put a few things right.. but no,he is a greedy little b4stard who is fooled if he thinks anybody else will want him.
jon wrote:
You cant blame dyer not signing a new contract, what with the credit crunch & all he is holding out for a bigger wage. We must remember he has been subsidising his income with his other profession untill he got caught. Give the poor lad a chance.
jon,imo he isnt even GOOD enough to get a contract in the first place!! he has put himself and the club to shame,he is lightweight and greedy on the pitch,not a team player and thinks the sun shines from his ar5e... give him a chance you say?? the club have by offering him a contract-hence a lifeline to put a few things right.. but no,he is a greedy little b4stard who is fooled if he thinks anybody else will want him.
Posted by: Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere on 1:31pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]only one not blind[/bold] wrote:
Please don't say that useless piece of **** Jermaine Wright has been kept on. Clinically Insane, really is![/quote] closest thing we have to a right back in the squad currently so I'd say it would be clinically insane to let him go. He's no flying full back but he's a steady enough option there and a better bet than Ostlund.
Also does a good job as a holding midfielder as well.
only one not blind wrote:
Please don't say that useless piece of **** Jermaine Wright has been kept on. Clinically Insane, really is!
closest thing we have to a right back in the squad currently so I'd say it would be clinically insane to let him go. He's no flying full back but he's a steady enough option there and a better bet than Ostlund.
Also does a good job as a holding midfielder as well.
Posted by: Ian, North Baddesley on 1:37pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Stern John is not staying either. Ostlund gone. All will become clear, but it will be almost unrecognisable from last year-Thank goodness!
Stern John is not staying either. Ostlund gone. All will become clear, but it will be almost unrecognisable from last year-Thank goodness!
Posted by: Saint Ash, At work on 1:38pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Not really bothered about what he and BWP MIGHT have done, plain simple truth is that he aint that good!
Makes silly mistakes defensivly and has very poor end product, when was the last time you saw him glide past a full back,get to the line and pull a cracking ball back?
mmmm thats what I thought, NEVER!
Go and play second fiddle somewhere else if you're not committed to the cause.COYR
Not really bothered about what he and BWP MIGHT have done, plain simple truth is that he aint that good!
Makes silly mistakes defensivly and has very poor end product, when was the last time you saw him glide past a full back,get to the line and pull a cracking ball back?
mmmm thats what I thought, NEVER!
Go and play second fiddle somewhere else if you're not committed to the cause.COYR
Posted by: Stu, New Forest on 1:53pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Good riddance Nathan, at best you were really quite mediocre. Yes i i admit you did have the odd good game (such as last season away to QPR) you are certainly nothing special.
Run along now, see you around as they say alas however, i feel for once not actually bothered a player could be leaving.
Good riddance Nathan, at best you were really quite mediocre. Yes i i admit you did have the odd good game (such as last season away to QPR) you are certainly nothing special.
Run along now, see you around as they say alas however, i feel for once not actually bothered a player could be leaving.
Posted by: Ken, Stubbington on 2:54pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Graham[/bold] wrote:
Idle curiosity again.
I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear.
Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone.
They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line.
I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow.
Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong.
[/quote] Usually if you've quoted someone else and what they said was dodgy, your post will be taken down too.
Usually it depends if one of the posts has been reported I think, judging by the "Important Notice" below.
Graham wrote:
Idle curiosity again.
I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear.
Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone.
They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line.
I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow.
Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong.
Usually if you've quoted someone else and what they said was dodgy, your post will be taken down too.
Usually it depends if one of the posts has been reported I think, judging by the "Important Notice" below.
Posted by: Saints since '57, Real world on 3:22pm Tue 1 Jul 08
I agree both Dyer and BWP are innocent until proven guilty. However in footballing terms they are both guilty:
Dyer - Light weight, cant pass, no guts and wont make it with the big boys.
BWP - Never has understood the off -side rule and apart from a few flashes is below average for this division.
Let them both go NOW
I agree both Dyer and BWP are innocent until proven guilty. However in footballing terms they are both guilty:
Dyer - Light weight, cant pass, no guts and wont make it with the big boys.
BWP - Never has understood the off -side rule and apart from a few flashes is below average for this division.
Let them both go NOW
Posted by: Al on 3:23pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Ken[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Graham[/bold] wrote: Idle curiosity again. I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear. Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone. They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line. I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow. Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong. [/quote] Usually if you've quoted someone else and what they said was dodgy, your post will be taken down too. Usually it depends if one of the posts has been reported I think, judging by the "Important Notice" below.[/quote] I have notced that on the southampton website, in the team sction, the profiles of Idiakez, Ostlund, Powell and Licka have been removed.
I think this is another stupid signal that they have gon, yet Jermaine Wright has stayed an someithing is being arranged with Dyer.
Ken wrote:
Graham wrote: Idle curiosity again. I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear. Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone. They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line. I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow. Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong.
Usually if you've quoted someone else and what they said was dodgy, your post will be taken down too. Usually it depends if one of the posts has been reported I think, judging by the "Important Notice" below.
I have notced that on the southampton website, in the team sction, the profiles of Idiakez, Ostlund, Powell and Licka have been removed.
I think this is another stupid signal that they have gon, yet Jermaine Wright has stayed an someithing is being arranged with Dyer.
Posted by: Osama Bin Laden, A Cave far far away on 3:33pm Tue 1 Jul 08
They should just let him go, dont pay his wages 'week to week' while he negotiates with other clubs.
Release him and then watch him drown (and make rare appearances for greeenwich town)
They should just let him go, dont pay his wages 'week to week' while he negotiates with other clubs.
Release him and then watch him drown (and make rare appearances for greeenwich town)
Posted by: the totton scrutineer, TOTTON on 3:37pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Sad!But no one should consider thwmselves bigger than the club.There's too much self interest with players and Jan is right we want committed players.He's let himself the team the club and himself down if he's found guilty of the alledged theft.I hope he's found innocent and then he can concentrate on football
Sad!But no one should consider thwmselves bigger than the club.There's too much self interest with players and Jan is right we want committed players.He's let himself the team the club and himself down if he's found guilty of the alledged theft.I hope he's found innocent and then he can concentrate on football
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 3:39pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Shouldn't have bothered offering him a contract he's crap. He should stick to robbing skate bar maids down at Southsea.
Shouldn't have bothered offering him a contract he's crap. He should stick to robbing skate bar maids down at Southsea.
Posted by: milton road, alicante on 3:43pm Tue 1 Jul 08
They can't release Dyer, if they do another club will sign him for nothing. By holding his registration they should get almost a million, which is what happened at tribunal with Leon Best
They can't release Dyer, if they do another club will sign him for nothing. By holding his registration they should get almost a million, which is what happened at tribunal with Leon Best
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 3:48pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]sailor sam[/bold] wrote:
I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy! [/quote] They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish.
Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton.
YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market!
Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.
sailor sam wrote:
I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy!
They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish.
Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton.
YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market!
Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.
Posted by: saints al gosport, gosport on 3:51pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Reality[/bold] wrote:
Innocent until proven guilty. Such a shame so many of the above idiots don't understand what this means.
Nathan Dyer is one of the nicest and most level headed players at Saints. Always willing to attend Charity and community events on behalf of the club (much like Wright-Phillips) but then no-one is interested in that eh? And of course, all the above have never ever done a stupid thing when drunk in their life eh?
"Welcome to Southampton, from where we shall pass judgement upon you from our Ivory tower"[/quote] hey come on mate its all on video kick him out and brad, why becuse they dont wanna play anyway and i think their charity days are over, and for your record none of us real fans are in the public eye,so we can get drunk and make mistakes,,,,, and its true pro footballers are thick as s.... i think the money talks for then
Reality wrote:
Innocent until proven guilty. Such a shame so many of the above idiots don't understand what this means.
Nathan Dyer is one of the nicest and most level headed players at Saints. Always willing to attend Charity and community events on behalf of the club (much like Wright-Phillips) but then no-one is interested in that eh? And of course, all the above have never ever done a stupid thing when drunk in their life eh?
"Welcome to Southampton, from where we shall pass judgement upon you from our Ivory tower"
hey come on mate its all on video kick him out and brad, why becuse they dont wanna play anyway and i think their charity days are over, and for your record none of us real fans are in the public eye,so we can get drunk and make mistakes,,,,, and its true pro footballers are thick as s.... i think the money talks for then
Posted by: BREAKING NEWS, SKY SPORTS NEWS CENTRE on 3:51pm Tue 1 Jul 08
*NEWSFLASH* CET 16.47
[bold]DYER SIGNS NEW CONTRACT WITH SAINTS[/bold]
Nathan Dyer has signed a 3 year contract with Southampton Football Club, he had been in exile from training by manager Jan Poortvliet, Jan Poortvliet says "im glad he has signed, now i can work with and sort his on and off the pitch lifestyles"
*NEWSFLASH* CET 16.47
DYER SIGNS NEW CONTRACT WITH SAINTS
Nathan Dyer has signed a 3 year contract with Southampton Football Club, he had been in exile from training by manager Jan Poortvliet, Jan Poortvliet says "im glad he has signed, now i can work with and sort his on and off the pitch lifestyles"
Posted by: King of the Kingsland on 4:01pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]SFC4EVA[/bold] wrote:
Just had a look at the '1st Team Squad' on the Saints Website. Looks like a good little squad. Only concerns are Goal Keeping and Defence. Same worrie with Davis and Bialkowski and we only have 4 defenders on the books and this proved to be our downfall over the last couple of seasons. I know we are a long way off the start of the season but anyone got any thoughts/news/rumors on any defenders?[/quote] I understand that Telfer is training with the squad and is looking for a contract!!
SFC4EVA wrote:
Just had a look at the '1st Team Squad' on the Saints Website. Looks like a good little squad. Only concerns are Goal Keeping and Defence. Same worrie with Davis and Bialkowski and we only have 4 defenders on the books and this proved to be our downfall over the last couple of seasons. I know we are a long way off the start of the season but anyone got any thoughts/news/rumors on any defenders?
I understand that Telfer is training with the squad and is looking for a contract!!
Posted by: True Blue, Fareham on 4:13pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Myself[/bold] wrote:
Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem league[/quote] What's so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
Myself wrote:
Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem league
What's so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
Posted by: Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere on 4:18pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]King of the Kingsland[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]SFC4EVA[/bold] wrote: Just had a look at the '1st Team Squad' on the Saints Website. Looks like a good little squad. Only concerns are Goal Keeping and Defence. Same worrie with Davis and Bialkowski and we only have 4 defenders on the books and this proved to be our downfall over the last couple of seasons. I know we are a long way off the start of the season but anyone got any thoughts/news/rumors on any defenders?[/quote] I understand that Telfer is training with the squad and is looking for a contract!![/quote] I'd love to have Telfer back, I know the majority of fans think he is one of many 'worst player to wear the shirt' ever but I think he is a good, honest, hard working professional who shuns the limelight and is happy to keep his head down and work for the team.
Having seen him play a blinder the season before last for Celtic (keeping Ronaldo quiet no less) he'd have more than enough quality for the CCC and he's probably fitter than most of the youth.
Oh and also he voluntarily cancelled his contract with Bournemouth last season because he was injured and they were potless.... the kind of player we are sorely lacking in this day and age.
King of the Kingsland wrote:
SFC4EVA wrote: Just had a look at the '1st Team Squad' on the Saints Website. Looks like a good little squad. Only concerns are Goal Keeping and Defence. Same worrie with Davis and Bialkowski and we only have 4 defenders on the books and this proved to be our downfall over the last couple of seasons. I know we are a long way off the start of the season but anyone got any thoughts/news/rumors on any defenders?
I understand that Telfer is training with the squad and is looking for a contract!!
I'd love to have Telfer back, I know the majority of fans think he is one of many 'worst player to wear the shirt' ever but I think he is a good, honest, hard working professional who shuns the limelight and is happy to keep his head down and work for the team.
Having seen him play a blinder the season before last for Celtic (keeping Ronaldo quiet no less) he'd have more than enough quality for the CCC and he's probably fitter than most of the youth.
Oh and also he voluntarily cancelled his contract with Bournemouth last season because he was injured and they were potless.... the kind of player we are sorely lacking in this day and age.
Posted by: sailor sam, portsmouth on 4:26pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]sailor sam[/bold] wrote: I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy! [/quote] They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish. Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton. YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market! Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.[/quote] So Southampton fans were selling their tickets rather than go to the cup final and 'support' their team. Says a lot for Saints fans doesn't it.
Denzil wrote:
sailor sam wrote: I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy!
They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish. Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton. YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market! Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.
So Southampton fans were selling their tickets rather than go to the cup final and 'support' their team. Says a lot for Saints fans doesn't it.
Posted by: Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere on 4:30pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]sailor sam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]sailor sam[/bold] wrote: I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy! [/quote] They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish. Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton. YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market! Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.[/quote] So Southampton fans were selling their tickets rather than go to the cup final and 'support' their team. Says a lot for Saints fans doesn't it. [/quote] but, but, but..... er...... ummmm.... oh!
sailor sam wrote:
Denzil wrote: sailor sam wrote: I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy!
They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish. Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton. YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market! Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.
So Southampton fans were selling their tickets rather than go to the cup final and 'support' their team. Says a lot for Saints fans doesn't it.
but, but, but..... er...... ummmm.... oh!
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 4:57pm Tue 1 Jul 08
A friend of mine told me that Paul Telfer is interested in returning to the club. We've certainly missed him this past 3 years. OK, not the most dynamic of players he was a lot better than anyone who's played at right back since. I hope it's not a wind up.
Ian Wright's been discussing Joey Barton on Talk Sport this afternoon, carefully diverting attention from his lad and Dyer. I hope neither play for us again.
A friend of mine told me that Paul Telfer is interested in returning to the club. We've certainly missed him this past 3 years. OK, not the most dynamic of players he was a lot better than anyone who's played at right back since. I hope it's not a wind up.
Ian Wright's been discussing Joey Barton on Talk Sport this afternoon, carefully diverting attention from his lad and Dyer. I hope neither play for us again.
Posted by: Graham, Herts on 5:22pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]sailor sam[/bold] wrote: I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy! [/quote] They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish. Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton. YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market! Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.[/quote] I see the intellectual giants have come out to play.
I thought the REAL DEAL was "Mine's bigger than yours. Yaa Boo!!"
Denzil wrote:
sailor sam wrote: I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy!
They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish. Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton. YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market! Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.
I see the intellectual giants have come out to play.
I thought the REAL DEAL was "Mine's bigger than yours. Yaa Boo!!"
Posted by: exetersaint on 5:33pm Tue 1 Jul 08
how old is telfer now? about 35?
how old is telfer now? about 35?
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 5:53pm Tue 1 Jul 08
He's 36 later this year. Whatever his age he's a better player than Viafara and Safri.
As for Pompey having a bigger fan base we'll have to wait and see when they evidentually get their new stadium.
He's 36 later this year. Whatever his age he's a better player than Viafara and Safri.
As for Pompey having a bigger fan base we'll have to wait and see when they evidentually get their new stadium.
Posted by: Myself on 6:03pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]True Blue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Myself[/bold] wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem league[/quote] What\'s so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.[/quote] Pompey fluked the fa cup they are only signing Reading's reject players
True Blue wrote:
Myself wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem league
What\'s so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
Pompey fluked the fa cup they are only signing Reading's reject players
Posted by: realist on 7:11pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[bold]bold[/bold] hey great news. They've taken Jermaine Wright's picture off the official site team page this afternoon - so that must mean he's going, too. Result. Dyer, Idiakez, Powell, Wright, Licka and Ostlund all in one go. Only BWP still to go and we're laughing. Champagne anyone?[bold]bold[/bold]
hey great news. They've taken Jermaine Wright's picture off the official site team page this afternoon - so that must mean he's going, too. Result. Dyer, Idiakez, Powell, Wright, Licka and Ostlund all in one go. Only BWP still to go and we're laughing. Champagne anyone?
Posted by: Dick Van Dyke on 7:35pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]realist[/bold] wrote:
So, they haven't released the retained list, but you can work it out for yourself from the official site and the team section. Compared to a week ago, Ostlund, Powell, Idiakez and Licka have disappeared and the young 'keeper Pernecky is back in the under-18s. Glad Powell has gone - useless tosser - sorry Jermaine Wright has been kept on. Don't know aboutOstlund, but he never did much, likewise Idiakez. Licka would have been worth a punt, but if Surman and Skacel (wishful thinking?) combine down the left, he wasn't needed. There are bound to be more comings and goings before the season but it looks a well-balanced squad - and we can even afford to let that allegedly thieving, greedy disloyal little sh*te Dyer go and still have a good outfit. Suggest, to trim the 6 strikers down to 5 or even 4, they listen to offers for Rasiak (if he doesn't want to play) and definitely for Dyer's partner in crime, Plug, er, sorry, I mean Wright-Phillips.[/quote] Heard coventry want rasiak, should let him go as soon as possible!
realist wrote:
So, they haven't released the retained list, but you can work it out for yourself from the official site and the team section. Compared to a week ago, Ostlund, Powell, Idiakez and Licka have disappeared and the young 'keeper Pernecky is back in the under-18s. Glad Powell has gone - useless tosser - sorry Jermaine Wright has been kept on. Don't know aboutOstlund, but he never did much, likewise Idiakez. Licka would have been worth a punt, but if Surman and Skacel (wishful thinking?) combine down the left, he wasn't needed. There are bound to be more comings and goings before the season but it looks a well-balanced squad - and we can even afford to let that allegedly thieving, greedy disloyal little sh*te Dyer go and still have a good outfit. Suggest, to trim the 6 strikers down to 5 or even 4, they listen to offers for Rasiak (if he doesn't want to play) and definitely for Dyer's partner in crime, Plug, er, sorry, I mean Wright-Phillips.
Heard coventry want rasiak, should let him go as soon as possible!
Posted by: Sean Whelan, Southampton on 7:39pm Tue 1 Jul 08
I like the styles it's about time someone had this type of attitude You play for the badge live by the badge and Die for the badge if you cant do it then off you go pal
SAINTS WILL GO UP THIS YEAR I JUST KNOW IT
I like the styles it's about time someone had this type of attitude You play for the badge live by the badge and Die for the badge if you cant do it then off you go pal
SAINTS WILL GO UP THIS YEAR I JUST KNOW IT
Posted by: True Blue, Fareham on 7:57pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Myself[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]True Blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Myself[/bold] wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem league[/quote] What\'s so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.[/quote] Pompey fluked the fa cup they are only signing Reading's reject players[/quote] To reinforce a practically 100% International squad, which still makes you envious.
Myself wrote:
True Blue wrote: Myself wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem league
What\'s so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
Pompey fluked the fa cup they are only signing Reading's reject players
To reinforce a practically 100% International squad, which still makes you envious.
Posted by: saintsteveyboy on 7:59pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.
Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.
Posted by: rational on 8:23pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]saintsteveyboy[/bold] wrote:
Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.[/quote] That's not spin - it's great management!
Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all.
So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.
saintsteveyboy wrote:
Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.
That's not spin - it's great management!
Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all.
So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.
Posted by: sailor sam, portsmouth on 8:29pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]rational[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]saintsteveyboy[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.[/quote] That's not spin - it's great management! Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all. So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.[/quote] Well said Rational! When people are so anti-Lowe, unfortunately it makes the irrational!
rational wrote:
saintsteveyboy wrote: Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.
That's not spin - it's great management! Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all. So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.
Well said Rational! When people are so anti-Lowe, unfortunately it makes the irrational!
Posted by: Barnacle Bill, Somewhere on the high sea on 8:36pm Tue 1 Jul 08
I have just driven back from Lymington after working on my boat all day and I saw that pikey moron Crew 657 out with his wino chums in the car park again. How does he get from his Marchwood council house to lymington following his driving ban?
I have just driven back from Lymington after working on my boat all day and I saw that pikey moron Crew 657 out with his wino chums in the car park again. How does he get from his Marchwood council house to lymington following his driving ban?
Posted by: bar blu manager, southsea on 9:29pm Tue 1 Jul 08
good riddance to the theiving c**t
good riddance to the theiving c**t
Posted by: Super Legend Davs 74, woolston on 9:36pm Tue 1 Jul 08
He could always choose a new career as Gary Colemans stunt double.
Watch'u talkin 'bout Nathan?
He could always choose a new career as Gary Colemans stunt double.
Watch'u talkin 'bout Nathan?
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 9:37pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]sailor sam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]rational[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]saintsteveyboy[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.[/quote] That's not spin - it's great management! Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all. So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.[/quote] Well said Rational! When people are so anti-Lowe, unfortunately it makes the irrational! [/quote] You talk rubbish you stupid unemployed washed up old man. Probably been drinking Special Brew on a park bench again.
sailor sam wrote:
rational wrote: saintsteveyboy wrote: Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.
That's not spin - it's great management! Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all. So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.
Well said Rational! When people are so anti-Lowe, unfortunately it makes the irrational!
You talk rubbish you stupid unemployed washed up old man. Probably been drinking Special Brew on a park bench again.
Posted by: Alvin, Winchester on 9:56pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Jermaine Wright has also gone form the profiles on the saints website. More worringly - and i hope they get this sorted - we only have four recongnised defenders on our books!! Lancashire, Davies, Thomas and Perry! Assuming surman can play left back but do we have back up, plus do we have a right back???? (plus we have 12 midfielders....)
Jermaine Wright has also gone form the profiles on the saints website. More worringly - and i hope they get this sorted - we only have four recongnised defenders on our books!! Lancashire, Davies, Thomas and Perry! Assuming surman can play left back but do we have back up, plus do we have a right back???? (plus we have 12 midfielders....)
Posted by: hungerford saint, you will never guess on 9:57pm Tue 1 Jul 08
lets hope he does leave what club would sign him with a looming court case ahead like the others who have taken money from the club and not had the spine to want to play for it
show some grit play for the club thats paying your wages play with the heart your fans have whilst supporting you no one man is bigger than the club put up shut up or get the hell out we need the players the board and fans to be pulling in the same direction if we are going to get back in the premiership. C.O.Y.R
looking forward to the new season make it worth while
lets hope he does leave what club would sign him with a looming court case ahead like the others who have taken money from the club and not had the spine to want to play for it
show some grit play for the club thats paying your wages play with the heart your fans have whilst supporting you no one man is bigger than the club put up shut up or get the hell out we need the players the board and fans to be pulling in the same direction if we are going to get back in the premiership. C.O.Y.R
looking forward to the new season make it worth while
Posted by: Scott, Southampton on 10:19pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Graham[/bold] wrote:
Idle curiosity again. I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear. Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone. They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line. I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow. Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong. [/quote] I completely agree Graham. On numerous occasions I have reported posts for having nothing to do with the headline story and posts that incite violence yet The Echo have left these posts on this site. What are the rules as to what can stay and what gets taken off? Answers on a postcard...
Graham wrote:
Idle curiosity again. I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear. Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone. They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line. I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow. Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong.
I completely agree Graham. On numerous occasions I have reported posts for having nothing to do with the headline story and posts that incite violence yet The Echo have left these posts on this site. What are the rules as to what can stay and what gets taken off? Answers on a postcard...
Posted by: Somerset Saint, Somerset on 10:57pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]realist[/bold] wrote:
[bold]bold[/bold] hey great news. They\\\'ve taken Jermaine Wright\\\'s picture off the official site team page this afternoon - so that must mean he\\\'s going, too. Result. Dyer, Idiakez, Powell, Wright, Licka and Ostlund all in one go. Only BWP still to go and we\\\'re laughing. Champagne anyone?[bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] Am I the only one that would actually like to see Licka stay at SMS. The times I saw him play for us, I thought he worked hard and was quite creative in midfield.
I would definitely get rid of sick-note Powell. He was ok when he played but he's an expensive passenger most of the time and we can't afford them.
As for Telfer re-joining, I hope that's a wind up. He was definitely a good player for us a few years back. He did the simple things well and was a very reliable, if somewhat unspectacular player. But now, I have an issue with his age (although, that said Lucketti at 36 did a good job for us at the end of last season).
realist wrote:
hey great news. They've taken Jermaine Wright's picture off the official site team page this afternoon - so that must mean he's going, too. Result. Dyer, Idiakez, Powell, Wright, Licka and Ostlund all in one go. Only BWP still to go and we're laughing. Champagne anyone?
Am I the only one that would actually like to see Licka stay at SMS. The times I saw him play for us, I thought he worked hard and was quite creative in midfield.
I would definitely get rid of sick-note Powell. He was ok when he played but he's an expensive passenger most of the time and we can't afford them.
As for Telfer re-joining, I hope that's a wind up. He was definitely a good player for us a few years back. He did the simple things well and was a very reliable, if somewhat unspectacular player. But now, I have an issue with his age (although, that said Lucketti at 36 did a good job for us at the end of last season).
Posted by: sailor sam, portsmouth on 11:16pm Tue 1 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]sailor sam[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]rational[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]saintsteveyboy[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.[/quote] That's not spin - it's great management! Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all. So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.[/quote] Well said Rational! When people are so anti-Lowe, unfortunately it makes the irrational! [/quote] You talk rubbish you stupid unemployed washed up old man. Probably been drinking Special Brew on a park bench again.[/quote] Possibly! But I did not sell my FA Cup semi-final ticket on the black market, nor my FA Cup final ticket, and will not be selling my Charity Shield one either.
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